Spock is a Jewish-coded fucking Vulcan who grew up on an alien world and was played by and basically created by a Jewish man and in 2019 you guys are still drawing him in Christmas sweaters and writing 18 billion Christmas fics about him
Reminder that in the Star Trek extended universe novels Amanda Grayson is made explicitly Jewish and thus Spock is not merely Jewish coded, he's straight up, undeniably, legal under any movements definition, Jewish.
I understand and respect this.
However. Playing devils advocate... Fanart or fanfics that feature xmas Spock:
Wearing an oversized sweater, seeing humans wearing pointed ears, having discussions on elves, getting snuggles in soft white lights, drinking hot cocoa/apple cider/ eggnog, being (unemotionally) argumentative of how bringing a tree inside is illogical, dealing with random jingling bells, becoming obsessive with finding the perfect tree/ decorations for the crew...
Just. Makes me. Melt.
It’s just too cute for my fangirl heart. I cannot help it. I am weaaaak!
Christmas is what I know, not Hanukkah. As a writer, that would be my comfort area. Based on the tsunami of xmas fics, I’m thinking that is what the majority of others automatically write too because of the familiar situations and customs. Most of the time people do write what they know, after all.
I wouldn’t be comfortable writing a fanfic of spock celebrating a jewish holiday—simply because I have no idea what that would be like. I wouldn’t want to get dozens of details wrong or offended anyone who does actually know more than what a google search or a helpful person q&a conversation would tell me.
Then the whole “why do u wanna know?” thing. Well. I would rather eat a whole fruit cake than tell them “it’s for a fanfic idea”. And yes, there are other options. Research, videos, library resources, and in person observation. I can’t speak for any other person, but I would not be comfortable observing another friends different holiday—only because I would feel like I was being an overwhelming intrusion into their lives. Plus my own awkwardness and anxiety would keep me mute when I would want to ask a question.
I would love to read a fic that celebrates the jewishness of Nimoys spock! I don’t even know how that would be but sign me up. I just haven’t ever seen one....
Perhaps... someone should....?
(***also, I have not drawn or written a Christmas/ Hanukkah/ Yule/ Solstice or any other variation on TOS n these winter holidays. I just love reading/ looking at them for the feels.*** unnecessary info but FYI)
Just say you’re anti-semitic and move on.
This post began as cool facts and inspirational ideas for me that I wanted to share them. So I apologize to the original posters. This has kinda tailspun into a bad place. Sorry for this reply. ———I just wanted to reblog. Share some info, others possible shared reasons/feelings/opinions/thoughts and share my own. And now I got called a monster by some ignoramus who obviously has never even been on either of my blogs, but felt the irrepressible need to not only be ugly but to come at me.
I’m not arguing with the OGs. I rb along with my own thoughts. Don’t like it? Shoo.
Typically I would ignore this nonsense. Not tonight tho. I’m in a rare responsive mood so here we go. And since I have morons yapping at me to be critical—when my reblog OBVIOUSLY was not meant to be serious, since nobody seems to comprehend that—save for my silly anxious personal mini rants.....And I love gifs. They’re excellent emotional representations. I just like them. So I’m gonna use as many as possible ʙᴇᴄᴀᴜsᴇ I ᴄᴀɴ and I do what I want.
Pardon me, but you seem to be a very very confused wannabe hate monger. All I’ve seen so far is a repetitive dialogue. Not only that, but you seem to have a lot of free time to reply angrily to random reblogs? And on my reblog? In my reblog, where I clearly explained my psychology & opinions as a Star Trek fangirl? Maybe the moving pictures distract from my words. Lemme rehash.
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@witnotwitchcraft Anti-semitic my ass. You just called me a what now? Uh huh. Now that is not only a terrible but an innacurate description of this human. And yet ya called me that ugly thing. Sorry to say that today I’m that B so of course I’m gonna clap back at that pathetic whine.
So based on what exactly, made you think I hold anyone above another, let alone an entire religious group? What about my general comments of ‘blah blah i want more fanarts n fics and I’m whatever with the xmas details because i like them, but I don’t wanna offend anyone with my stupidness with an unfamiliar religion n I would screw up so I’m choosing not to make em. blah blah’ was intolerant or biased? Was it my anxiety about potentially spreading false information, even in the background of a fictional short story on the Internet? Maybe it was my suggestion to my mutuals/ followers/ creators/ anyone who would see my post... to actually make some Jewish content? Maybe that was a trap.
What is antisem to me? A hateful and wrong belief system that I consider to be a shameful and disgusting aspect of a very stupid, backwards, and nonsensically cruel part of humanity which serves absolutely no purpose. Ya moron. More to the point. That is what you took from my reblog? Just that crap? That? Because wow. Really?ノಠ_ಠノ
A reason being how: I 𝙬𝙤𝙪𝙡𝙙 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙠𝙣𝙤𝙬 𝙬𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙄 𝙬𝙖𝙨 𝙩𝙖𝙡𝙠𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙖𝙗𝙤𝙪𝙩 in describing a religious background setting in a hypothetical fanfiction because I myself lack personal jewish references to draw from.
What part of my opinions came off as being anti human? Anti any mass grouping of people is just insane to me. I was stating my thoughts. My thoughts as a writer, as a fan, & my reasoning behind my thought pattern. Not a personal bias. Not narrow-minded one-sidedness but admitting of a lack of knowledge.
- Then how I went on about: 𝙄 𝙙𝙤 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙪𝙣𝙙𝙚𝙧𝙨𝙩𝙖𝙣𝙙 the cultural significance of anything that in my non-existent fanart or writings might choose to describe—& how I felt anxiety and embarrassment if I were to describe or use it in an entirely incorrect manner and therefore insult an ancient culture n its peoples... but nahhh that’s just silly.
- And then: I continued about how uncomfortable and disrespectful that proposed idea is to me (just making things up as I could go along) as a non-jewish person. Me. Nobody else. Just what i think in my head.
Without stating how anyone else can freely do whatever they want, or how I might enjoy it. But that might have been my bad for assuming that every writer and artist in my fandom is not under my thumb.
Because I myself have never experienced any aspect of observing Hanukkah and it would just gimme anxiety instead of joy and general nice feelings. Which was the point.... Well, alright, that’s not entirely true. I did watch Rugrats back when I was learning how to read and I think I kinda remember the Pickles family was celebrating it in an episode. So I suppose there was that one childhood experience... throughout my entire life, so far. Yep. But maybe that’s enough material for you to expect me to be comfortable writing a story incorporating it...
My specific reblog is pertaining to the original (altho I don’t hate the other 2 reimaginings) Spock played by L. Nimoy, who was Jewish. He was a Jewish man. Who created the universally recognizable Vulcan LLAP from a Jewish ceremony. I am aware of and I am not interested in condoning Jewish erasure. Of any kind. From anyone. For any reason.
I also said
I want jewish fanarts and fics. Gimme.
As I said, because it’s clear you didn’t read it before or maybe just didn’t comprehend:
I want all of the fanarts of Spock and the crew, reguardless of differing religious themes/aesthetics/messages/attire. I want all of the fanfics, personal headcanons, and prompts.
I just want more Spock. Period. My ADD can be difficult to follow but gdi not to this point.
When I look at the holiday (not just xmas) fanarts or read the fics, I think they are undeniably cute. Because they make me happy. Not because it’s an accurate representation of real life. Especially on this blog. This is the place solely for my Star Trek fandom/ general space appreciation.
Right now, Dec 22, yeah I am irritated on all the xmas fics on the aos feed I have to weed thru. So any variety is an auto read. But do I still read xmas Spock? Yes! Will I keep on? YES. Do I want Spock in an ugly xmas sweater? Heck yeah. Do I want Spock in a dreidel sweater? YES. I want all of everything. Oh. How do I live with myself?
I’m not arguing anything the OGs said.
So. I guess me wanting to read some Jewish ones, actually written by someone who might actually know what they’re talking about (instead of me) and idk maybe teach me a few lil cool factoids to accompany my warm holiday feels. And then acknowledging that writer is not me... Not being opposed to learning to be able to write a fic. Just lacking... well, yep, that’s just awful of me. How dare I? That just means I am automatically prejudiced. Not that I’m open to enjoying pretty much everything reguarding my favorite character. Nope, there be hatred.
Stoppit. Because I’m totally not asking for other Star Trek fans whose work I love n reblog—who enjoy a show where everyone on a future earth/space lives in a mostly hopeful, racially all-inclusive, biodiverse, peaceful society—to make that content.
Oh wait. That was exactly what I did.
And... If you, ya know, care to scroll back up and double check everything. I think I’ve repeated myself enough times but I could be wrong. Or perhaps go on an adventure on both my blogs. I’m also @thevoiceofmadness And I’m an emotional opinionated B on there too. But one thing I’m not, is a hate filled biased narrow-minded sorry excuse of a human.
Maybe you’re blasé with joking about that kind of prejudice and discrimination that still exists today. I don’t know you. Unfortunately, I don’t have the patience to argue and convince you how not okay that term is to throw around willy-nilly like a hot potato.
I rb for feels. This ain’t the blog for any super serious real life crap.
You done exhausted my f***s for the year.
So sit down sweeties and work on your reading comprehension and your general empathy. Or keep going off, firecrackers. Other than this effort, I really don’t care about hateful opinions. I gotta go support lovely people and reblog more nice Spock things. Bye.
Personally, I prefer my Star Trek without ANY kind of religion, but I don’t see how anyone could read @deepspacebabe‘s original addition to this post and interpret any kind of hateful intent.
